I get complaints about the (left) menus sometimes too. E.g. in a group there is a "Group pages" and "Group disussion" to the left. But when selecting the "group pages" link the discussion link goes away. It's similar on other places too.

I think the problem lies with mixing "all stuff related to this group" vs "mine/friends/others/all content within this plugin" in the menu. If the group is considered the  main thingie, then the menu must be constant here, preferably indicate what menu item is selected too.

How about creating an Elgg object "menu", in which plugins can add their options to that menu, and then the menu could have several views, like toolbar, etc.

Many plugins have to use hardcoded URL's which makes it really bad for maintenance purposes.

Regards,
Uddhava dasa

Can you create a menu tool kit for the admin? position, link structure, etc.

I would like to bring up my groups when I use the toolbar Tools>Groups instead of going to site groups.

I like the menu toolbar, unobtrusive and neat. However that same like was the problem at the start because it is not the norm. It took me a few visits to first notice and then to remember it was there.

Please dont destroy the nice celan feel elgg has but someone create a toolkit to give options.

To me, another advantage of a seperate interface as noted above is the ability to -minimize- that interface. In other words, you can retheme it to JUST show content, in a bald, simple way. No flashy graphics. Rapid loading time means rapid response. If mods have to view the same site as users, they are limited to navigating at the same -speed- as users... which can have certain disadvantages.

Mind, I'm not suggesting levels specifically, per se. You could have a roles system with my suggestion, and name your own "levels" based on saved roles profiles.

But I still think splitting users and managers is wise for security. It works -brilliantly- in MODx.

Ah I see it now Dagorath.

What you need is a better, faster interface for management, which can list / display / edit the content faster and easier. Like better lists, grouping, sorting, filtering, multiple edits, mass operations etc. It's the administration pages. You (we) ideally need more functionality on content, users and system in this section. Like more detailed ajax listings for content, customizable columns, mass find / replace, mass delete etc with multiple selections etc. 

Actually the interface is there, it just needs more functionality which should be invented by addons for their own content. The only difference is, content pages, which normal users can see are not prohibited to management, but this can be achieved with role permissions too. And for graphics & html, we can already use a simpler, lighter theme for management.

and ... what happened with this project  ?? :-) any luck after 800 something days?

To me, another advantage of a seperate interface as noted above is the ability to -minimize- that interface. In other words, you can retheme it to JUST show content, in a bald, simple way. No flashy graphics. Rapid loading time means rapid response. If mods have to view the same site as users, they are limited to navigating at the same -speed- as users... which can have certain disadvantages.

Mind, I'm not suggesting levels specifically, per se. You could have a roles system with my suggestion, and name your own "levels" based on saved roles profiles.

But I still think splitting users and managers is wise for security. It works -brilliantly- in MODx.

Ah I see it now Dagorath.

What you need is a better, faster interface for management, which can list / display / edit the content faster and easier. Like better lists, grouping, sorting, filtering, multiple edits, mass operations etc. It's the administration pages. You (we) ideally need more functionality on content, users and system in this section. Like more detailed ajax listings for content, customizable columns, mass find / replace, mass delete etc with multiple selections etc. 

Actually the interface is there, it just needs more functionality which should be invented by addons for their own content. The only difference is, content pages, which normal users can see are not prohibited to management, but this can be achieved with role permissions too. And for graphics & html, we can already use a simpler, lighter theme for management.

and ... what happened with this project  ?? :-) any luck after 800 something days?

To me, another advantage of a seperate interface as noted above is the ability to -minimize- that interface. In other words, you can retheme it to JUST show content, in a bald, simple way. No flashy graphics. Rapid loading time means rapid response. If mods have to view the same site as users, they are limited to navigating at the same -speed- as users... which can have certain disadvantages.

Mind, I'm not suggesting levels specifically, per se. You could have a roles system with my suggestion, and name your own "levels" based on saved roles profiles.

But I still think splitting users and managers is wise for security. It works -brilliantly- in MODx.

Ah I see it now Dagorath.

What you need is a better, faster interface for management, which can list / display / edit the content faster and easier. Like better lists, grouping, sorting, filtering, multiple edits, mass operations etc. It's the administration pages. You (we) ideally need more functionality on content, users and system in this section. Like more detailed ajax listings for content, customizable columns, mass find / replace, mass delete etc with multiple selections etc. 

Actually the interface is there, it just needs more functionality which should be invented by addons for their own content. The only difference is, content pages, which normal users can see are not prohibited to management, but this can be achieved with role permissions too. And for graphics & html, we can already use a simpler, lighter theme for management.

and ... what happened with this project  ?? :-) any luck after 800 something days?

To me, another advantage of a seperate interface as noted above is the ability to -minimize- that interface. In other words, you can retheme it to JUST show content, in a bald, simple way. No flashy graphics. Rapid loading time means rapid response. If mods have to view the same site as users, they are limited to navigating at the same -speed- as users... which can have certain disadvantages.

Mind, I'm not suggesting levels specifically, per se. You could have a roles system with my suggestion, and name your own "levels" based on saved roles profiles.

But I still think splitting users and managers is wise for security. It works -brilliantly- in MODx.

Ah I see it now Dagorath.

What you need is a better, faster interface for management, which can list / display / edit the content faster and easier. Like better lists, grouping, sorting, filtering, multiple edits, mass operations etc. It's the administration pages. You (we) ideally need more functionality on content, users and system in this section. Like more detailed ajax listings for content, customizable columns, mass find / replace, mass delete etc with multiple selections etc. 

Actually the interface is there, it just needs more functionality which should be invented by addons for their own content. The only difference is, content pages, which normal users can see are not prohibited to management, but this can be achieved with role permissions too. And for graphics & html, we can already use a simpler, lighter theme for management.

and ... what happened with this project  ?? :-) any luck after 800 something days?

To me, another advantage of a seperate interface as noted above is the ability to -minimize- that interface. In other words, you can retheme it to JUST show content, in a bald, simple way. No flashy graphics. Rapid loading time means rapid response. If mods have to view the same site as users, they are limited to navigating at the same -speed- as users... which can have certain disadvantages.

Mind, I'm not suggesting levels specifically, per se. You could have a roles system with my suggestion, and name your own "levels" based on saved roles profiles.

But I still think splitting users and managers is wise for security. It works -brilliantly- in MODx.

Ah I see it now Dagorath.

What you need is a better, faster interface for management, which can list / display / edit the content faster and easier. Like better lists, grouping, sorting, filtering, multiple edits, mass operations etc. It's the administration pages. You (we) ideally need more functionality on content, users and system in this section. Like more detailed ajax listings for content, customizable columns, mass find / replace, mass delete etc with multiple selections etc. 

Actually the interface is there, it just needs more functionality which should be invented by addons for their own content. The only difference is, content pages, which normal users can see are not prohibited to management, but this can be achieved with role permissions too. And for graphics & html, we can already use a simpler, lighter theme for management.

and ... what happened with this project  ?? :-) any luck after 800 something days?

To me, another advantage of a seperate interface as noted above is the ability to -minimize- that interface. In other words, you can retheme it to JUST show content, in a bald, simple way. No flashy graphics. Rapid loading time means rapid response. If mods have to view the same site as users, they are limited to navigating at the same -speed- as users... which can have certain disadvantages.

Mind, I'm not suggesting levels specifically, per se. You could have a roles system with my suggestion, and name your own "levels" based on saved roles profiles.

But I still think splitting users and managers is wise for security. It works -brilliantly- in MODx.

Ah I see it now Dagorath.

What you need is a better, faster interface for management, which can list / display / edit the content faster and easier. Like better lists, grouping, sorting, filtering, multiple edits, mass operations etc. It's the administration pages. You (we) ideally need more functionality on content, users and system in this section. Like more detailed ajax listings for content, customizable columns, mass find / replace, mass delete etc with multiple selections etc. 

Actually the interface is there, it just needs more functionality which should be invented by addons for their own content. The only difference is, content pages, which normal users can see are not prohibited to management, but this can be achieved with role permissions too. And for graphics & html, we can already use a simpler, lighter theme for management.

and ... what happened with this project  ?? :-) any luck after 800 something days?

To me, another advantage of a seperate interface as noted above is the ability to -minimize- that interface. In other words, you can retheme it to JUST show content, in a bald, simple way. No flashy graphics. Rapid loading time means rapid response. If mods have to view the same site as users, they are limited to navigating at the same -speed- as users... which can have certain disadvantages.

Mind, I'm not suggesting levels specifically, per se. You could have a roles system with my suggestion, and name your own "levels" based on saved roles profiles.

But I still think splitting users and managers is wise for security. It works -brilliantly- in MODx.

Ah I see it now Dagorath.

What you need is a better, faster interface for management, which can list / display / edit the content faster and easier. Like better lists, grouping, sorting, filtering, multiple edits, mass operations etc. It's the administration pages. You (we) ideally need more functionality on content, users and system in this section. Like more detailed ajax listings for content, customizable columns, mass find / replace, mass delete etc with multiple selections etc. 

Actually the interface is there, it just needs more functionality which should be invented by addons for their own content. The only difference is, content pages, which normal users can see are not prohibited to management, but this can be achieved with role permissions too. And for graphics & html, we can already use a simpler, lighter theme for management.

and ... what happened with this project  ?? :-) any luck after 800 something days?

Is this this address you're using? http://docs.elgg.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&type=signup

This is the one i was using - http://docs.elgg.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&returnto=Main_Page - Let me try this - http://docs.elgg.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&type=signup

Yeah thats found to work - thanks

Is this this address you're using? http://docs.elgg.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&type=signup

This is the one i was using - http://docs.elgg.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&returnto=Main_Page - Let me try this - http://docs.elgg.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&type=signup

Yeah thats found to work - thanks

I agree with the statement that elgg needs FORUM. Its not just me... and you. I managed 1000 members... most of them say that the community needs a FORUM feature. I know that group discussion can be a replacement. But thats totally different.

A community needs forum. Period.

we don't need no forums instead of intuition
we don't need no group postings going out of control
no dark sarcasm in the CMS gloom
Elggsters - leave then site users alone
Hey coders - leave them kiddies alone
All in all it'd just another post on the wall
All in all it'd just another post on the wall

"wall" in social networking sites is copyrighted by facebook as an electronic messaging system.  You will be hearing from their lawyers shortly

I agree with the statement that elgg needs FORUM. Its not just me... and you. I managed 1000 members... most of them say that the community needs a FORUM feature. I know that group discussion can be a replacement. But thats totally different.

A community needs forum. Period.

we don't need no forums instead of intuition
we don't need no group postings going out of control
no dark sarcasm in the CMS gloom
Elggsters - leave then site users alone
Hey coders - leave them kiddies alone
All in all it'd just another post on the wall
All in all it'd just another post on the wall

"wall" in social networking sites is copyrighted by facebook as an electronic messaging system.  You will be hearing from their lawyers shortly

I agree with the statement that elgg needs FORUM. Its not just me... and you. I managed 1000 members... most of them say that the community needs a FORUM feature. I know that group discussion can be a replacement. But thats totally different.

A community needs forum. Period.

we don't need no forums instead of intuition
we don't need no group postings going out of control
no dark sarcasm in the CMS gloom
Elggsters - leave then site users alone
Hey coders - leave them kiddies alone
All in all it'd just another post on the wall
All in all it'd just another post on the wall

"wall" in social networking sites is copyrighted by facebook as an electronic messaging system.  You will be hearing from their lawyers shortly

To me, another advantage of a seperate interface as noted above is the ability to -minimize- that interface. In other words, you can retheme it to JUST show content, in a bald, simple way. No flashy graphics. Rapid loading time means rapid response. If mods have to view the same site as users, they are limited to navigating at the same -speed- as users... which can have certain disadvantages.

Mind, I'm not suggesting levels specifically, per se. You could have a roles system with my suggestion, and name your own "levels" based on saved roles profiles.

But I still think splitting users and managers is wise for security. It works -brilliantly- in MODx.

Ah I see it now Dagorath.

What you need is a better, faster interface for management, which can list / display / edit the content faster and easier. Like better lists, grouping, sorting, filtering, multiple edits, mass operations etc. It's the administration pages. You (we) ideally need more functionality on content, users and system in this section. Like more detailed ajax listings for content, customizable columns, mass find / replace, mass delete etc with multiple selections etc. 

Actually the interface is there, it just needs more functionality which should be invented by addons for their own content. The only difference is, content pages, which normal users can see are not prohibited to management, but this can be achieved with role permissions too. And for graphics & html, we can already use a simpler, lighter theme for management.

and ... what happened with this project  ?? :-) any luck after 800 something days?

http://docs.elgg.org/wiki/Administration_Manual

I click @

Dealing with a problem user

it tries to goto

http://docs.elgg.org/w/index.php?title=Dealing_with_a_problem_user&action=edit

and wham permission error ;-(

You are so right !!!

new developers and hackers will have problems..

Maybe the Docs could have a little section section to warn them that SimpleCache can and will give them trouble if they do not handle it well ;-)

The wiki is locked down and you have to ask permission to edit: "If you are using Elgg and would like to help us with documentation, please get in touch info@elgg.com"

To me, another advantage of a seperate interface as noted above is the ability to -minimize- that interface. In other words, you can retheme it to JUST show content, in a bald, simple way. No flashy graphics. Rapid loading time means rapid response. If mods have to view the same site as users, they are limited to navigating at the same -speed- as users... which can have certain disadvantages.

Mind, I'm not suggesting levels specifically, per se. You could have a roles system with my suggestion, and name your own "levels" based on saved roles profiles.

But I still think splitting users and managers is wise for security. It works -brilliantly- in MODx.

Ah I see it now Dagorath.

What you need is a better, faster interface for management, which can list / display / edit the content faster and easier. Like better lists, grouping, sorting, filtering, multiple edits, mass operations etc. It's the administration pages. You (we) ideally need more functionality on content, users and system in this section. Like more detailed ajax listings for content, customizable columns, mass find / replace, mass delete etc with multiple selections etc. 

Actually the interface is there, it just needs more functionality which should be invented by addons for their own content. The only difference is, content pages, which normal users can see are not prohibited to management, but this can be achieved with role permissions too. And for graphics & html, we can already use a simpler, lighter theme for management.

and ... what happened with this project  ?? :-) any luck after 800 something days?

To me, another advantage of a seperate interface as noted above is the ability to -minimize- that interface. In other words, you can retheme it to JUST show content, in a bald, simple way. No flashy graphics. Rapid loading time means rapid response. If mods have to view the same site as users, they are limited to navigating at the same -speed- as users... which can have certain disadvantages.

Mind, I'm not suggesting levels specifically, per se. You could have a roles system with my suggestion, and name your own "levels" based on saved roles profiles.

But I still think splitting users and managers is wise for security. It works -brilliantly- in MODx.

Ah I see it now Dagorath.

What you need is a better, faster interface for management, which can list / display / edit the content faster and easier. Like better lists, grouping, sorting, filtering, multiple edits, mass operations etc. It's the administration pages. You (we) ideally need more functionality on content, users and system in this section. Like more detailed ajax listings for content, customizable columns, mass find / replace, mass delete etc with multiple selections etc. 

Actually the interface is there, it just needs more functionality which should be invented by addons for their own content. The only difference is, content pages, which normal users can see are not prohibited to management, but this can be achieved with role permissions too. And for graphics & html, we can already use a simpler, lighter theme for management.

and ... what happened with this project  ?? :-) any luck after 800 something days?

Is this this address you're using? http://docs.elgg.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&type=signup

This is the one i was using - http://docs.elgg.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&returnto=Main_Page - Let me try this - http://docs.elgg.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&type=signup

Yeah thats found to work - thanks

Is this this address you're using? http://docs.elgg.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&type=signup

This is the one i was using - http://docs.elgg.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&returnto=Main_Page - Let me try this - http://docs.elgg.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&type=signup

Yeah thats found to work - thanks

Is this this address you're using? http://docs.elgg.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&type=signup

This is the one i was using - http://docs.elgg.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&returnto=Main_Page - Let me try this - http://docs.elgg.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&type=signup

Yeah thats found to work - thanks