To me, another advantage of a seperate interface as noted above is the ability to -minimize- that interface. In other words, you can retheme it to JUST show content, in a bald, simple way. No flashy graphics. Rapid loading time means rapid response. If mods have to view the same site as users, they are limited to navigating at the same -speed- as users... which can have certain disadvantages.

Mind, I'm not suggesting levels specifically, per se. You could have a roles system with my suggestion, and name your own "levels" based on saved roles profiles.

But I still think splitting users and managers is wise for security. It works -brilliantly- in MODx.

Ah I see it now Dagorath.

What you need is a better, faster interface for management, which can list / display / edit the content faster and easier. Like better lists, grouping, sorting, filtering, multiple edits, mass operations etc. It's the administration pages. You (we) ideally need more functionality on content, users and system in this section. Like more detailed ajax listings for content, customizable columns, mass find / replace, mass delete etc with multiple selections etc. 

Actually the interface is there, it just needs more functionality which should be invented by addons for their own content. The only difference is, content pages, which normal users can see are not prohibited to management, but this can be achieved with role permissions too. And for graphics & html, we can already use a simpler, lighter theme for management.

and ... what happened with this project  ?? :-) any luck after 800 something days?

To me, another advantage of a seperate interface as noted above is the ability to -minimize- that interface. In other words, you can retheme it to JUST show content, in a bald, simple way. No flashy graphics. Rapid loading time means rapid response. If mods have to view the same site as users, they are limited to navigating at the same -speed- as users... which can have certain disadvantages.

Mind, I'm not suggesting levels specifically, per se. You could have a roles system with my suggestion, and name your own "levels" based on saved roles profiles.

But I still think splitting users and managers is wise for security. It works -brilliantly- in MODx.

Ah I see it now Dagorath.

What you need is a better, faster interface for management, which can list / display / edit the content faster and easier. Like better lists, grouping, sorting, filtering, multiple edits, mass operations etc. It's the administration pages. You (we) ideally need more functionality on content, users and system in this section. Like more detailed ajax listings for content, customizable columns, mass find / replace, mass delete etc with multiple selections etc. 

Actually the interface is there, it just needs more functionality which should be invented by addons for their own content. The only difference is, content pages, which normal users can see are not prohibited to management, but this can be achieved with role permissions too. And for graphics & html, we can already use a simpler, lighter theme for management.

and ... what happened with this project  ?? :-) any luck after 800 something days?

I get complaints about the (left) menus sometimes too. E.g. in a group there is a "Group pages" and "Group disussion" to the left. But when selecting the "group pages" link the discussion link goes away. It's similar on other places too.

I think the problem lies with mixing "all stuff related to this group" vs "mine/friends/others/all content within this plugin" in the menu. If the group is considered the  main thingie, then the menu must be constant here, preferably indicate what menu item is selected too.

How about creating an Elgg object "menu", in which plugins can add their options to that menu, and then the menu could have several views, like toolbar, etc.

Many plugins have to use hardcoded URL's which makes it really bad for maintenance purposes.

Regards,
Uddhava dasa

Can you create a menu tool kit for the admin? position, link structure, etc.

I would like to bring up my groups when I use the toolbar Tools>Groups instead of going to site groups.

I like the menu toolbar, unobtrusive and neat. However that same like was the problem at the start because it is not the norm. It took me a few visits to first notice and then to remember it was there.

Please dont destroy the nice celan feel elgg has but someone create a toolkit to give options.

I get complaints about the (left) menus sometimes too. E.g. in a group there is a "Group pages" and "Group disussion" to the left. But when selecting the "group pages" link the discussion link goes away. It's similar on other places too.

I think the problem lies with mixing "all stuff related to this group" vs "mine/friends/others/all content within this plugin" in the menu. If the group is considered the  main thingie, then the menu must be constant here, preferably indicate what menu item is selected too.

How about creating an Elgg object "menu", in which plugins can add their options to that menu, and then the menu could have several views, like toolbar, etc.

Many plugins have to use hardcoded URL's which makes it really bad for maintenance purposes.

Regards,
Uddhava dasa

Can you create a menu tool kit for the admin? position, link structure, etc.

I would like to bring up my groups when I use the toolbar Tools>Groups instead of going to site groups.

I like the menu toolbar, unobtrusive and neat. However that same like was the problem at the start because it is not the norm. It took me a few visits to first notice and then to remember it was there.

Please dont destroy the nice celan feel elgg has but someone create a toolkit to give options.

I get complaints about the (left) menus sometimes too. E.g. in a group there is a "Group pages" and "Group disussion" to the left. But when selecting the "group pages" link the discussion link goes away. It's similar on other places too.

I think the problem lies with mixing "all stuff related to this group" vs "mine/friends/others/all content within this plugin" in the menu. If the group is considered the  main thingie, then the menu must be constant here, preferably indicate what menu item is selected too.

How about creating an Elgg object "menu", in which plugins can add their options to that menu, and then the menu could have several views, like toolbar, etc.

Many plugins have to use hardcoded URL's which makes it really bad for maintenance purposes.

Regards,
Uddhava dasa

Can you create a menu tool kit for the admin? position, link structure, etc.

I would like to bring up my groups when I use the toolbar Tools>Groups instead of going to site groups.

I like the menu toolbar, unobtrusive and neat. However that same like was the problem at the start because it is not the norm. It took me a few visits to first notice and then to remember it was there.

Please dont destroy the nice celan feel elgg has but someone create a toolkit to give options.

I get complaints about the (left) menus sometimes too. E.g. in a group there is a "Group pages" and "Group disussion" to the left. But when selecting the "group pages" link the discussion link goes away. It's similar on other places too.

I think the problem lies with mixing "all stuff related to this group" vs "mine/friends/others/all content within this plugin" in the menu. If the group is considered the  main thingie, then the menu must be constant here, preferably indicate what menu item is selected too.

How about creating an Elgg object "menu", in which plugins can add their options to that menu, and then the menu could have several views, like toolbar, etc.

Many plugins have to use hardcoded URL's which makes it really bad for maintenance purposes.

Regards,
Uddhava dasa

Can you create a menu tool kit for the admin? position, link structure, etc.

I would like to bring up my groups when I use the toolbar Tools>Groups instead of going to site groups.

I like the menu toolbar, unobtrusive and neat. However that same like was the problem at the start because it is not the norm. It took me a few visits to first notice and then to remember it was there.

Please dont destroy the nice celan feel elgg has but someone create a toolkit to give options.

To me, another advantage of a seperate interface as noted above is the ability to -minimize- that interface. In other words, you can retheme it to JUST show content, in a bald, simple way. No flashy graphics. Rapid loading time means rapid response. If mods have to view the same site as users, they are limited to navigating at the same -speed- as users... which can have certain disadvantages.

Mind, I'm not suggesting levels specifically, per se. You could have a roles system with my suggestion, and name your own "levels" based on saved roles profiles.

But I still think splitting users and managers is wise for security. It works -brilliantly- in MODx.

Ah I see it now Dagorath.

What you need is a better, faster interface for management, which can list / display / edit the content faster and easier. Like better lists, grouping, sorting, filtering, multiple edits, mass operations etc. It's the administration pages. You (we) ideally need more functionality on content, users and system in this section. Like more detailed ajax listings for content, customizable columns, mass find / replace, mass delete etc with multiple selections etc. 

Actually the interface is there, it just needs more functionality which should be invented by addons for their own content. The only difference is, content pages, which normal users can see are not prohibited to management, but this can be achieved with role permissions too. And for graphics & html, we can already use a simpler, lighter theme for management.

and ... what happened with this project  ?? :-) any luck after 800 something days?

Hello Brett,

Thanks for your kind reply. The popular filter doesn't really reflect top plugins. Because of two main reasons:

• Many plugins don't get so many download counts but they are really good.
• The counts are not acccurate for plugins who release several versions (which discourages the really good programmers seeing their plugins die).

The problem i see, is that such a page, would require lot of maintenance, but again it is very valuable for new users. If it is a concern on how to capture new visitors, this would be a huge improvement for them.

Another solution would be to create a package of featured plugins for download. Any of these require work and dedication to keep it up to date though. Someone interested in business could add such a plugin pack in the plugins section too.

Regards,
Uddhava dasa

Perhaps something community driven in this respect would be good. Why not take advantage of Pages?

Create a group - invite-only - and ask for those most interested in helping out with this (probably plugin developers...) to join up. Then create a Page for "Community Featured Plugins" and set it's write access to that group, and have it edited wiki-style by the group as needed, with a link to it on both the plugins page and in the plugins box on the community main page. Tada?

That sounds like a great idea Dagorath. Hope Brett gets to see this.

I get complaints about the (left) menus sometimes too. E.g. in a group there is a "Group pages" and "Group disussion" to the left. But when selecting the "group pages" link the discussion link goes away. It's similar on other places too.

I think the problem lies with mixing "all stuff related to this group" vs "mine/friends/others/all content within this plugin" in the menu. If the group is considered the  main thingie, then the menu must be constant here, preferably indicate what menu item is selected too.

How about creating an Elgg object "menu", in which plugins can add their options to that menu, and then the menu could have several views, like toolbar, etc.

Many plugins have to use hardcoded URL's which makes it really bad for maintenance purposes.

Regards,
Uddhava dasa

Can you create a menu tool kit for the admin? position, link structure, etc.

I would like to bring up my groups when I use the toolbar Tools>Groups instead of going to site groups.

I like the menu toolbar, unobtrusive and neat. However that same like was the problem at the start because it is not the norm. It took me a few visits to first notice and then to remember it was there.

Please dont destroy the nice celan feel elgg has but someone create a toolkit to give options.

I get complaints about the (left) menus sometimes too. E.g. in a group there is a "Group pages" and "Group disussion" to the left. But when selecting the "group pages" link the discussion link goes away. It's similar on other places too.

I think the problem lies with mixing "all stuff related to this group" vs "mine/friends/others/all content within this plugin" in the menu. If the group is considered the  main thingie, then the menu must be constant here, preferably indicate what menu item is selected too.

How about creating an Elgg object "menu", in which plugins can add their options to that menu, and then the menu could have several views, like toolbar, etc.

Many plugins have to use hardcoded URL's which makes it really bad for maintenance purposes.

Regards,
Uddhava dasa

Can you create a menu tool kit for the admin? position, link structure, etc.

I would like to bring up my groups when I use the toolbar Tools>Groups instead of going to site groups.

I like the menu toolbar, unobtrusive and neat. However that same like was the problem at the start because it is not the norm. It took me a few visits to first notice and then to remember it was there.

Please dont destroy the nice celan feel elgg has but someone create a toolkit to give options.

I get complaints about the (left) menus sometimes too. E.g. in a group there is a "Group pages" and "Group disussion" to the left. But when selecting the "group pages" link the discussion link goes away. It's similar on other places too.

I think the problem lies with mixing "all stuff related to this group" vs "mine/friends/others/all content within this plugin" in the menu. If the group is considered the  main thingie, then the menu must be constant here, preferably indicate what menu item is selected too.

How about creating an Elgg object "menu", in which plugins can add their options to that menu, and then the menu could have several views, like toolbar, etc.

Many plugins have to use hardcoded URL's which makes it really bad for maintenance purposes.

Regards,
Uddhava dasa

Can you create a menu tool kit for the admin? position, link structure, etc.

I would like to bring up my groups when I use the toolbar Tools>Groups instead of going to site groups.

I like the menu toolbar, unobtrusive and neat. However that same like was the problem at the start because it is not the norm. It took me a few visits to first notice and then to remember it was there.

Please dont destroy the nice celan feel elgg has but someone create a toolkit to give options.

Hello Brett,

Thanks for your kind reply. The popular filter doesn't really reflect top plugins. Because of two main reasons:

• Many plugins don't get so many download counts but they are really good.
• The counts are not acccurate for plugins who release several versions (which discourages the really good programmers seeing their plugins die).

The problem i see, is that such a page, would require lot of maintenance, but again it is very valuable for new users. If it is a concern on how to capture new visitors, this would be a huge improvement for them.

Another solution would be to create a package of featured plugins for download. Any of these require work and dedication to keep it up to date though. Someone interested in business could add such a plugin pack in the plugins section too.

Regards,
Uddhava dasa

Perhaps something community driven in this respect would be good. Why not take advantage of Pages?

Create a group - invite-only - and ask for those most interested in helping out with this (probably plugin developers...) to join up. Then create a Page for "Community Featured Plugins" and set it's write access to that group, and have it edited wiki-style by the group as needed, with a link to it on both the plugins page and in the plugins box on the community main page. Tada?

That sounds like a great idea Dagorath. Hope Brett gets to see this.

I get complaints about the (left) menus sometimes too. E.g. in a group there is a "Group pages" and "Group disussion" to the left. But when selecting the "group pages" link the discussion link goes away. It's similar on other places too.

I think the problem lies with mixing "all stuff related to this group" vs "mine/friends/others/all content within this plugin" in the menu. If the group is considered the  main thingie, then the menu must be constant here, preferably indicate what menu item is selected too.

How about creating an Elgg object "menu", in which plugins can add their options to that menu, and then the menu could have several views, like toolbar, etc.

Many plugins have to use hardcoded URL's which makes it really bad for maintenance purposes.

Regards,
Uddhava dasa

Can you create a menu tool kit for the admin? position, link structure, etc.

I would like to bring up my groups when I use the toolbar Tools>Groups instead of going to site groups.

I like the menu toolbar, unobtrusive and neat. However that same like was the problem at the start because it is not the norm. It took me a few visits to first notice and then to remember it was there.

Please dont destroy the nice celan feel elgg has but someone create a toolkit to give options.

I get complaints about the (left) menus sometimes too. E.g. in a group there is a "Group pages" and "Group disussion" to the left. But when selecting the "group pages" link the discussion link goes away. It's similar on other places too.

I think the problem lies with mixing "all stuff related to this group" vs "mine/friends/others/all content within this plugin" in the menu. If the group is considered the  main thingie, then the menu must be constant here, preferably indicate what menu item is selected too.

How about creating an Elgg object "menu", in which plugins can add their options to that menu, and then the menu could have several views, like toolbar, etc.

Many plugins have to use hardcoded URL's which makes it really bad for maintenance purposes.

Regards,
Uddhava dasa

Can you create a menu tool kit for the admin? position, link structure, etc.

I would like to bring up my groups when I use the toolbar Tools>Groups instead of going to site groups.

I like the menu toolbar, unobtrusive and neat. However that same like was the problem at the start because it is not the norm. It took me a few visits to first notice and then to remember it was there.

Please dont destroy the nice celan feel elgg has but someone create a toolkit to give options.

I get complaints about the (left) menus sometimes too. E.g. in a group there is a "Group pages" and "Group disussion" to the left. But when selecting the "group pages" link the discussion link goes away. It's similar on other places too.

I think the problem lies with mixing "all stuff related to this group" vs "mine/friends/others/all content within this plugin" in the menu. If the group is considered the  main thingie, then the menu must be constant here, preferably indicate what menu item is selected too.

How about creating an Elgg object "menu", in which plugins can add their options to that menu, and then the menu could have several views, like toolbar, etc.

Many plugins have to use hardcoded URL's which makes it really bad for maintenance purposes.

Regards,
Uddhava dasa

Can you create a menu tool kit for the admin? position, link structure, etc.

I would like to bring up my groups when I use the toolbar Tools>Groups instead of going to site groups.

I like the menu toolbar, unobtrusive and neat. However that same like was the problem at the start because it is not the norm. It took me a few visits to first notice and then to remember it was there.

Please dont destroy the nice celan feel elgg has but someone create a toolkit to give options.

I get complaints about the (left) menus sometimes too. E.g. in a group there is a "Group pages" and "Group disussion" to the left. But when selecting the "group pages" link the discussion link goes away. It's similar on other places too.

I think the problem lies with mixing "all stuff related to this group" vs "mine/friends/others/all content within this plugin" in the menu. If the group is considered the  main thingie, then the menu must be constant here, preferably indicate what menu item is selected too.

How about creating an Elgg object "menu", in which plugins can add their options to that menu, and then the menu could have several views, like toolbar, etc.

Many plugins have to use hardcoded URL's which makes it really bad for maintenance purposes.

Regards,
Uddhava dasa

Can you create a menu tool kit for the admin? position, link structure, etc.

I would like to bring up my groups when I use the toolbar Tools>Groups instead of going to site groups.

I like the menu toolbar, unobtrusive and neat. However that same like was the problem at the start because it is not the norm. It took me a few visits to first notice and then to remember it was there.

Please dont destroy the nice celan feel elgg has but someone create a toolkit to give options.

To me, another advantage of a seperate interface as noted above is the ability to -minimize- that interface. In other words, you can retheme it to JUST show content, in a bald, simple way. No flashy graphics. Rapid loading time means rapid response. If mods have to view the same site as users, they are limited to navigating at the same -speed- as users... which can have certain disadvantages.

Mind, I'm not suggesting levels specifically, per se. You could have a roles system with my suggestion, and name your own "levels" based on saved roles profiles.

But I still think splitting users and managers is wise for security. It works -brilliantly- in MODx.

Ah I see it now Dagorath.

What you need is a better, faster interface for management, which can list / display / edit the content faster and easier. Like better lists, grouping, sorting, filtering, multiple edits, mass operations etc. It's the administration pages. You (we) ideally need more functionality on content, users and system in this section. Like more detailed ajax listings for content, customizable columns, mass find / replace, mass delete etc with multiple selections etc. 

Actually the interface is there, it just needs more functionality which should be invented by addons for their own content. The only difference is, content pages, which normal users can see are not prohibited to management, but this can be achieved with role permissions too. And for graphics & html, we can already use a simpler, lighter theme for management.

and ... what happened with this project  ?? :-) any luck after 800 something days?

To me, another advantage of a seperate interface as noted above is the ability to -minimize- that interface. In other words, you can retheme it to JUST show content, in a bald, simple way. No flashy graphics. Rapid loading time means rapid response. If mods have to view the same site as users, they are limited to navigating at the same -speed- as users... which can have certain disadvantages.

Mind, I'm not suggesting levels specifically, per se. You could have a roles system with my suggestion, and name your own "levels" based on saved roles profiles.

But I still think splitting users and managers is wise for security. It works -brilliantly- in MODx.

Ah I see it now Dagorath.

What you need is a better, faster interface for management, which can list / display / edit the content faster and easier. Like better lists, grouping, sorting, filtering, multiple edits, mass operations etc. It's the administration pages. You (we) ideally need more functionality on content, users and system in this section. Like more detailed ajax listings for content, customizable columns, mass find / replace, mass delete etc with multiple selections etc. 

Actually the interface is there, it just needs more functionality which should be invented by addons for their own content. The only difference is, content pages, which normal users can see are not prohibited to management, but this can be achieved with role permissions too. And for graphics & html, we can already use a simpler, lighter theme for management.

and ... what happened with this project  ?? :-) any luck after 800 something days?

To me, another advantage of a seperate interface as noted above is the ability to -minimize- that interface. In other words, you can retheme it to JUST show content, in a bald, simple way. No flashy graphics. Rapid loading time means rapid response. If mods have to view the same site as users, they are limited to navigating at the same -speed- as users... which can have certain disadvantages.

Mind, I'm not suggesting levels specifically, per se. You could have a roles system with my suggestion, and name your own "levels" based on saved roles profiles.

But I still think splitting users and managers is wise for security. It works -brilliantly- in MODx.

Ah I see it now Dagorath.

What you need is a better, faster interface for management, which can list / display / edit the content faster and easier. Like better lists, grouping, sorting, filtering, multiple edits, mass operations etc. It's the administration pages. You (we) ideally need more functionality on content, users and system in this section. Like more detailed ajax listings for content, customizable columns, mass find / replace, mass delete etc with multiple selections etc. 

Actually the interface is there, it just needs more functionality which should be invented by addons for their own content. The only difference is, content pages, which normal users can see are not prohibited to management, but this can be achieved with role permissions too. And for graphics & html, we can already use a simpler, lighter theme for management.

and ... what happened with this project  ?? :-) any luck after 800 something days?

To me, another advantage of a seperate interface as noted above is the ability to -minimize- that interface. In other words, you can retheme it to JUST show content, in a bald, simple way. No flashy graphics. Rapid loading time means rapid response. If mods have to view the same site as users, they are limited to navigating at the same -speed- as users... which can have certain disadvantages.

Mind, I'm not suggesting levels specifically, per se. You could have a roles system with my suggestion, and name your own "levels" based on saved roles profiles.

But I still think splitting users and managers is wise for security. It works -brilliantly- in MODx.

Ah I see it now Dagorath.

What you need is a better, faster interface for management, which can list / display / edit the content faster and easier. Like better lists, grouping, sorting, filtering, multiple edits, mass operations etc. It's the administration pages. You (we) ideally need more functionality on content, users and system in this section. Like more detailed ajax listings for content, customizable columns, mass find / replace, mass delete etc with multiple selections etc. 

Actually the interface is there, it just needs more functionality which should be invented by addons for their own content. The only difference is, content pages, which normal users can see are not prohibited to management, but this can be achieved with role permissions too. And for graphics & html, we can already use a simpler, lighter theme for management.

and ... what happened with this project  ?? :-) any luck after 800 something days?