@LJager On FB, if you are a new user, you may only add 25 friends. Then, you have to wait till those 25 add you in order to add more.
Also, on FB, to post comments on Fan pages or other places (if you are a new user) you have to confirm your account either by sms or credit card.
And we kinda took that idea for a project in a certain country that I can't name. We did sms confirmations. SMS are free in that country and Zero spammers since we applied that. Unfortunately that's closed source. I was sharing our way to solve this. You don't have to be that rude =)
I'm actually chuckling, but need to ask, "if everybody wants to be like face book why don't we all just go to facebook?" We can close up shop here. Nothing new that doesn't come from there is the current paradigm? Please, you guys who are so much smarter than I and already light years beyond what I ever hope to be in the skills department, realize you're smarter than FB too! Act on it!
The 'paradox' is that so many sites with <9,999 members have so much spam problems while FK with abt 250,000 members has almost zero spam ;)
That's because with such an active site the chance of having their stuff visible is highly unlikely. Unused, empty sites are prime for them because if someone does invariably visit it they will see the spam content first.
We also have self apppointed "moderators" - those kids report *anything that is questionable at all ;-) nice kids they are ! They even complained about the site being "hacked" when we changed *one menu item text LOLZ ;-)
i think elgg should have a ip blocking pluggin. every users last 5 ip should be logged and if some one report a content then his ip should be automatically banned. what faceboook do is that.
@pauloortiz - well said! I was actually thinking something similar myself. But to be fair as long as some websites have features that others don't (for example) there will always be that "but I want it too!" mentality running riot. ;-p
@rjcalifornia - please point out where I was being rude? Seriously, I was merely pointing out some simple facts. I'm not going to go over them again in this post to reiterate my point, but honestly there was no rudeness intended by anything I said. But just for the record, I can't imagine many people signing up to facebook and instantly adding more than 25 people unless they do have less than ethical intentions (ie. they are spammers), at the very least I can't imagine having to wait for those 25 friends - if indeed they are legitimate friends - to confirm you as a friend being a life-altering issue for people on an all-round social network.
A side-point I'd like to make is that spam prevention precautions should suit the type of site they're being used on. For example, the community side of this site is primarily a portal to share extensions and information for the core software in order to help people create the type of site they're looking for, and naturally many people will need to ask things as soon as they register (in many cases it's the precise reason that they registered in the first place), therefore forcing them to be delayed is a really bad idea. Whereas the likes of facebook (not forgetting myspace, bebo, orkut, hi5, etc... ;-) ) is a social network primarily intended to allow people who know each other to keep in touch over the internet, in these cases a slight delay isn't as big a deal to the end-user as more often than not they've been invited to it by someone they know. Even those who just join them off their own backs tend to do so because they know people with accounts and want to share the experience, so again a slight delay isn't a major issue for them... ;-p
And again, if anything I said did come across as rude I apologise. It certainly wasn't my intention. :-)
And right on cue (well more or less) I receive my first spam private message on the elgg community. It is as follows:
helloMy name is hellen willams, I saw your profile today and became interested in you, I would also like to know more, and if you do not mind I will like you to send an email to my e-mail address, so I can you my picture for you to know whom I am.Here is my e-mail address (hellenwillams52@yahoo.com) believe we can from here, I'm waiting for your e-mail to my e-mail address above Remember the distance or color does not matter even our age difrent because I have something very important to say, but a lot of questions of love in your life please contact me with this email address..................(hellenwillams52@yahoo.com----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------halloMein Name ist Hellen Willams, ich sah Ihr Profil heute und wurde interessiert in Ihnen, ich würde auch gerne mehr wissen, und wenn Sie nichts dagegen haben werde ich wie Sie eine E-Mail an meine E-Mail-Adresse senden, so kann ich Ihnen mein Bild für Sie zu wissen, wen ich am.Here ist meine E-Mail-Adresse (hellenwillams52@yahoo.com) glauben, wir können von hier, ich bin für Ihre E-Mail an meine E-Mail-Adresse oben warten die Entfernung oder die Farbe spielt keine Rolle, auch unserer Zeit difrent, weil ich etwas sehr Wichtiges zu sagen haben, aber eine Menge Fragen der Liebe in Ihrem Leben kontaktieren Sie mich bitte mit dieser E-Mail-Adresse..................( Hellenwillams52@yahoo.com
If I'm wrong and this is a genuine message (highly unlikely as it's a text-book "gimme your e-mail address" type message) then I apologise for posting it here and I'm sure someone will remove it upon request. On the other hand, for the benefit of those who haven't had any yet (or don't realise that they have), this is what a spam message looks like.
The basic rule-of-thumb is that anyone you don't know asking for any personal details (contact or otherwise) is more than likely up to no good. Only if you've interacted with them previously should you take such requests seriously, but even be extremely careful as you can never be too sure who's doing what with your details (unless you really know them)... :-)
LOLZ I leave that to my wife and girl freinds ;) and I think you're just jealous about the FK member count ;-) ain't you ?
@LJager On FB, if you are a new user, you may only add 25 friends. Then, you have to wait till those 25 add you in order to add more.
Also, on FB, to post comments on Fan pages or other places (if you are a new user) you have to confirm your account either by sms or credit card.
And we kinda took that idea for a project in a certain country that I can't name. We did sms confirmations. SMS are free in that country and Zero spammers since we applied that. Unfortunately that's closed source. I was sharing our way to solve this. You don't have to be that rude =)
I'm actually chuckling, but need to ask, "if everybody wants to be like face book why don't we all just go to facebook?" We can close up shop here. Nothing new that doesn't come from there is the current paradigm? Please, you guys who are so much smarter than I and already light years beyond what I ever hope to be in the skills department, realize you're smarter than FB too! Act on it!
That's because with such an active site the chance of having their stuff visible is highly unlikely. Unused, empty sites are prime for them because if someone does invariably visit it they will see the spam content first.
We also have self apppointed "moderators" - those kids report *anything that is questionable at all ;-) nice kids they are ! They even complained about the site being "hacked" when we changed *one menu item text LOLZ ;-)
i think elgg should have a ip blocking pluggin. every users last 5 ip should be logged and if some one report a content then his ip should be automatically banned. what faceboook do is that.
@pauloortiz - well said! I was actually thinking something similar myself. But to be fair as long as some websites have features that others don't (for example) there will always be that "but I want it too!" mentality running riot. ;-p
@rjcalifornia - please point out where I was being rude? Seriously, I was merely pointing out some simple facts. I'm not going to go over them again in this post to reiterate my point, but honestly there was no rudeness intended by anything I said. But just for the record, I can't imagine many people signing up to facebook and instantly adding more than 25 people unless they do have less than ethical intentions (ie. they are spammers), at the very least I can't imagine having to wait for those 25 friends - if indeed they are legitimate friends - to confirm you as a friend being a life-altering issue for people on an all-round social network.
A side-point I'd like to make is that spam prevention precautions should suit the type of site they're being used on. For example, the community side of this site is primarily a portal to share extensions and information for the core software in order to help people create the type of site they're looking for, and naturally many people will need to ask things as soon as they register (in many cases it's the precise reason that they registered in the first place), therefore forcing them to be delayed is a really bad idea. Whereas the likes of facebook (not forgetting myspace, bebo, orkut, hi5, etc... ;-) ) is a social network primarily intended to allow people who know each other to keep in touch over the internet, in these cases a slight delay isn't as big a deal to the end-user as more often than not they've been invited to it by someone they know. Even those who just join them off their own backs tend to do so because they know people with accounts and want to share the experience, so again a slight delay isn't a major issue for them... ;-p
And again, if anything I said did come across as rude I apologise. It certainly wasn't my intention. :-)
Oh and Trajan, good point. We all know how spammers hate to go unnoticed, haha! X-D
And right on cue (well more or less) I receive my first spam private message on the elgg community. It is as follows:
If I'm wrong and this is a genuine message (highly unlikely as it's a text-book "gimme your e-mail address" type message) then I apologise for posting it here and I'm sure someone will remove it upon request. On the other hand, for the benefit of those who haven't had any yet (or don't realise that they have), this is what a spam message looks like.
The basic rule-of-thumb is that anyone you don't know asking for any personal details (contact or otherwise) is more than likely up to no good. Only if you've interacted with them previously should you take such requests seriously, but even be extremely careful as you can never be too sure who's doing what with your details (unless you really know them)... :-)
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