Commercial interests and Elgg development

Reposting this as a discussion as the developer in question will likely delete my posts again.  I would like to hear what others have to say on this.  I am not condeming anyone for making money, only that the community, users, and Elgg should come first.  Please discuss.

originally posted: community.elgg.org/pg/plugins/vazco/read/480625/vazco_moderate-group-moderation

That is exactly why I do not appreciate you in this community.  I posted a question yesterday and have been checking back every few hours to find out the answer.  I get back this morning and you have deleted my question.

 

I am a paid customer of yours for more than one plugin but your support is horrid and you constantly post "non updated" plugins if someone creates a totally open and free version of anything you offer.  The goal is to have more open and free software for the community yet all you are concerned with is your own pocket.  

Please stop posting your plugins just so they appear to the newest plugins when they in fact as not new and rarely updated, and due to your insistence to keep your sources closed, they are full of typos and simple bugs that arent even getting fixed and pushed to the community.  

Numerous times I have requested more information from you just to be ignored or responded to with double speak as to the features I have "paid" for from you.  You are nothing but a leech on this community and you are in no way pushing it toward better software for anyone.  Seems your sole occupation is with making more money at the expense of this community.

Since my comment asking "What has changed since the last time you posted this?" was deleted I will now make it my duty to let this community know the underhanded techniques you are using to silence any competition and any complainers.

Fostering open solutions should be everyones responsibility here at elgg.org, as it is what will make Elgg the platform that it wants to be.  I understand your desire to make money and I see that you are making alot of it, I also notice your policy about the plugin prices dropping with each person that pays for it, and during the time I have been a member of elggdev I have noticed in fact the opposite that you are raising prices, and definitely not adding features to the paid plugins, in fact at times you are making "sub-plugins" like vazco_topbar_extensions to get ppl that paid for a earlier version to have to buy more from you.  

I'm sure that anything I expected with your plugins was a failure on my part for expecting the entire community to further available developments.  As this is what happens with all other platforms similar to this.  Here we have a issue of not being enough choices for users.  There isnt the competition to create the best plugins for Elgg, seems a small subsection of this community is determined to make all new developments tied to commercial plugins.  We are hurting for more and you constantly silence anything that appears.  

Please the next time you see a new plugin posted that is freely available, we do not need to see your posts on that authors plugin stating once again "This functionality is offered by vazco_*".  We don't care, we want more choice, we want more options, we want more discussion, we want more totally free and distributable sources, we want innovation to continue, we as the users don't want this project and community controlled by business interests alone.  So although your code is nice and all good, but me as a developer and user, can't post any changes I have made to improve it, so the whole community doesn't get to benefit from better software.  Don't get me wrong you make some good code, but at what point does the community get to benefit?  I don't begrudge you making money either, but why is it that none of your code can be improved by anyone other than you, when you just improved someone elses FREE AND OPEN SOURCE software, namely Elgg.  Why is it that you intend to silence competition even if its not commercial competition?  Why don't you start making elgg better and as a result we have more users and more opportunities for you to fill in gaps and make money until the community can come up with free solutions?  Or even actually follow your own policy and let some of your past plugins that have made you plenty of money become freely available to the community? 

I will repost this to discussions and to my own site as I'm sure you will delete this.  But until you answer me for one freaking time, i will not be silenced.

  • lolz....also -->

    http://community.elgg.org/mod/groups/topicposts.php?topic=480644&group_guid=52477

    "for every gpl'ed open open source  plugin there always seems to a "better" commercial alternative ;-) hehhh...

  • You know I would understand if it were "better" but it still doesnt deserve to always be a NEW plugin when someones alternative was the real NEW and free version.

     

  • Midknight, I'm not sure what you refer to. The plugin in question was uploaded first time 8 days ago and was completely free, with a paid version accessible on Elggdev. I didn't re-upload it, as well as I didn't delete your question, I simply uploaded a new version of the plugin. The plugin you posted a link to was posted on the same rules, though the paid version is two times more expensive than the one on Elggdev. I didn't try to silence anyone, nor I ever posted a plugin without any update.

     

    If you want more choices and more plugins, please don't attack me for giving you such choices. You don't have to buy plugins written by me or my team, nor you have to use the free versions. I moved your last post discussion to old version of the plugin, as it's place was there.

     

    the vazco_moderate plugin was developed over a month ago. I decided to post it to the community a few days ago. I didn't use anyone's code in the process. We have over 30 plugins that were developed by us, but not posted to the community yet. We plan to release them at some point. (there are also more than 80 plugins which we won't ever release because of NDA's)

     

    We charge more for an hour of work than for the plugins which usually take a few days to develop. I assure you selling plugins on Elggdev is not a very proffitable business. If it was, we would have uploaded those 30 plugins to Elggdev long time ago. For me it's a way of giving people cheap plugins, as development of a single custom plugin is usually a lot more expensive. Elggdev gets proffit from developing the whole websites, not from selling single plugins.

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