We have experienced it. On a site we have not even opened to the public yet. A number of folks have left porn. We will moderate, but when users build porn blogs and whatever it's time-consuming to have to delete it all. And the users can only be banned, not deleted, which leaves a bunch of messy pics and files.
So rjcalifornia, how do you keep bad guys out of your site. And what do your moderators do with the user profiles and activitey when you ban them?
Do you admin approve groups. Or allow anyone to set up groups as they wish?
Do you admin approve all uers when they sign up, or can anyone signup whenever they please?
I see Brett has left a message in another group about spammers they are having problems with here. It appears this is going to be an issue that we need to take seriously and fix however as effectively as we can. I realize it'll be an onoging issue, but we need to stay in front of it.
We are willing to admin approve every user, but there isn't any way that I know how to do that aside from Site Access which isn't being supported.
We are willing to admin approve every group before it's open, but I don't know of plugins that will be 1.7 compatible.
We're basically in a holding pattern until 1.7 gets further down the line and we see who comes up with what.
It's best for us to keep our communities as tight and clean from the start as possible rather than chasing down the bad guys. But it doesnt' appear there's anyway to do that quite yet.
@Ron Wallace Anyone can join milocker... We got a Terms of Use Policy that everyone has to accept before they sign up....
I got a case where a the mod posted a link to rapidshare (music) which was against our policy, so I sent him a message and he changed to a link to Amazon Music Store....
"Terms of Use" - we've got one of those too, but spammers and porno jerks don't care. Sending them a message wouldn't do any good. Ban them and they'll just come back some other way. It's our wish to stop them before they mess with us in the first place. I ran my first bulletin board (pre web) in the late 70s. There were jerks then too. We then moderated all user signups and all message entries. We only had then 600 uers but then we still needed several on our staff to watch over them. We expect several thousands once we open our elgg site. And we're willing to man it. We've already got a relationship with police to prosecute. But we need simple tools.
It's been 30 years since my first bbs. We've been to the moon and back. I can't believe we can't stop spammers.
All we want is an effective way to watch over things. 1) admin approve all users. 2) admin approve all new groups. 3) EASILY delete bad guys and all their files. To much to ask of elgg?
Actually, best of all, although not mandatory, we'd like to admin approve everything. One porno message in a family-friendly site that a mother or child or teacher could see, is dangerous.
@ Dhrup - I remember reading in another group that you guys were working on something. Where are you with it? 1.7 compatible?
@ alfalive - same kind of stuff we are getting. How are you handling it?
What we do now.
1) Ban the jerks.
2) Change their profile name so the dirt and promo doesn't appear in activity
3) Change email address so it doesn't appear anywhere.
4) But, unfortunately, the generic icon for the user still appears in our new members on the home page. It's not clickable, but it's there. Really looks ugle, cause now we have lots of new users with no purpose.
5 -- Then they come back and we do it all over again, and again, and again, and again, and again.
We now have 3 sites in the making, 2 production sites waiting for 1.7 so we can test and open and 1 development site. Only one of the 3 sites is being spammed. If the other two get it, it'll be too much wasted time and I think we may just give up on these projects.
As said before, we would want, an effective way to watch over things. 1) admin approve all users. 2) admin approve all new groups. 3) EASILY delete bad guys and ALL their files.
well, so far we haven't experienced that, however, we have moderators who keep an eye on the users of milocker....
We have experienced it. On a site we have not even opened to the public yet. A number of folks have left porn. We will moderate, but when users build porn blogs and whatever it's time-consuming to have to delete it all. And the users can only be banned, not deleted, which leaves a bunch of messy pics and files.
So rjcalifornia, how do you keep bad guys out of your site. And what do your moderators do with the user profiles and activitey when you ban them?
Do you admin approve groups. Or allow anyone to set up groups as they wish?
Do you admin approve all uers when they sign up, or can anyone signup whenever they please?
Ron
"not even opened to the public yet. A number of folks have left porn."
*** we are same --> closed site, still see spam and porn ;-(
And the users can only be banned, not deleted, which leaves a bunch of messy pics and files.
*** we're working on this code = "banned user" --> they and their content becomes *invisible*
Do you admin approve all uers when they sign up, or can anyone signup whenever they please?
*** for us --> anyone can sign up... BUT
if they are bad -- we do log their IP and other details AND they got nowhere to hide
I see Brett has left a message in another group about spammers they are having problems with here. It appears this is going to be an issue that we need to take seriously and fix however as effectively as we can. I realize it'll be an onoging issue, but we need to stay in front of it.
We are willing to admin approve every user, but there isn't any way that I know how to do that aside from Site Access which isn't being supported.
We are willing to admin approve every group before it's open, but I don't know of plugins that will be 1.7 compatible.
We're basically in a holding pattern until 1.7 gets further down the line and we see who comes up with what.
It's best for us to keep our communities as tight and clean from the start as possible rather than chasing down the bad guys. But it doesnt' appear there's anyway to do that quite yet.
'Ban' seems to be the answer.
@Ron Wallace Anyone can join milocker... We got a Terms of Use Policy that everyone has to accept before they sign up....
I got a case where a the mod posted a link to rapidshare (music) which was against our policy, so I sent him a message and he changed to a link to Amazon Music Store....
"Terms of Use" - we've got one of those too, but spammers and porno jerks don't care. Sending them a message wouldn't do any good. Ban them and they'll just come back some other way. It's our wish to stop them before they mess with us in the first place. I ran my first bulletin board (pre web) in the late 70s. There were jerks then too. We then moderated all user signups and all message entries. We only had then 600 uers but then we still needed several on our staff to watch over them. We expect several thousands once we open our elgg site. And we're willing to man it. We've already got a relationship with police to prosecute. But we need simple tools.
It's been 30 years since my first bbs. We've been to the moon and back. I can't believe we can't stop spammers.
All we want is an effective way to watch over things. 1) admin approve all users. 2) admin approve all new groups. 3) EASILY delete bad guys and all their files. To much to ask of elgg?
Actually, best of all, although not mandatory, we'd like to admin approve everything. One porno message in a family-friendly site that a mother or child or teacher could see, is dangerous.
@ Dhrup - I remember reading in another group that you guys were working on something. Where are you with it? 1.7 compatible?
Ron
@Ron Wallace So far we don't have spammers or copyrighted content.... We got a dozen of russians thou...
some sites let user pay for registration 5o cent per sms
and here are my spammers table :)
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@ alfalive - same kind of stuff we are getting. How are you handling it?
What we do now.
1) Ban the jerks.
2) Change their profile name so the dirt and promo doesn't appear in activity
3) Change email address so it doesn't appear anywhere.
4) But, unfortunately, the generic icon for the user still appears in our new members on the home page. It's not clickable, but it's there. Really looks ugle, cause now we have lots of new users with no purpose.
5 -- Then they come back and we do it all over again, and again, and again, and again, and again.
We now have 3 sites in the making, 2 production sites waiting for 1.7 so we can test and open and 1 development site. Only one of the 3 sites is being spammed. If the other two get it, it'll be too much wasted time and I think we may just give up on these projects.
As said before, we would want, an effective way to watch over things. 1) admin approve all users. 2) admin approve all new groups. 3) EASILY delete bad guys and ALL their files.
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