A different currency system


No tech stuff this time :-) But nevertheless I am interested in what you think about my idea. I wrote the article some months ago, but it seams to get more attention the last couple of days. Maybe it gains traction. 


The United States policy for over decades is to print more money to sustain their politically motivated projects, which are different per president. Some of them finance wars with it, some slash taxes and others use it to build a wellfare system.

In all those cases, not enough money was available and the US goverment expands the monetary system and loans the money on Wallstreet. The bad thing is that it creates inflation, which basically is stealing a little bit from everyone (without telling) but we are used to it so we do not complain much.


  • @ura souls I very much agree on the need of having a better river filtering in Elgg, more options such as groups and language also should be included for international communities just to mention a couple

  • Me too ! I have been able to create a Elgg multisite (not operational yet) which allows users to move back and forth in different communities. That would be a great extension of this community, promoting the actual users communitities and still get the discussions on topic in the right community.

    @Ura and Michelle, I still like us to continue the discussion. Can you register at my site, so we are allowe to do so ?

  • @Matt,on the other hand,  if there is no such policy I am violating, like Ura pointed out clearly. There is also no issue here. You can allow anyone to post off topic bookmarks and we can continue to discuss. No tech change needed ! Otherwise consider my proposal.

    Please advice.

  • Actually Gerard I see Matt's point and agree with him. The power of our communities (including Elgg's) is topic-focusing otherwise we would only be Facebook clones and totally unsuccessful.

    Just registered to yours though :)

  • besides the issue of spamming - which does not equate to 'any topic that is not elgg' - there is no mention of any clause in the terms here which prohibits any topic at all that is not 'breaking a legal limit' in some way.

    so the only remaining annoyance would be that the river is filled with non elgg topics. which is only a problem if we are relying on the river to know what is occurring in the community instead of using the intended features of elgg!! such as groups, group streams and discussion groups etc.
    again, this is a shortcoming in the design of elgg. stifling community in a community driven, community making community, is not going to achieve much! lol

  • i created a group selector for the river for elgg 1.7 - it didn't make it to 1.8 yet. the supajax plugin is intended to integrate that once the other bugs are removed.

    inter community elgging, would be great, yes.

  • True, it might not be a written policy, but that doesn't mean it's a good thing - you're using Air Bud logic (the rulebook doesn't say that dog can't play basketball!)

    I agree that the activity stream probably isn't the best default navigational tool, and I have longstanding plans to make it easier to use, however that's what we have right now.  So someone coming here looking for information current discussion on Elgg, how to use/improve/program/etc is seeing nothing but discussion on currency/politics/conspiracy.  Conversely someone like me coming here to help people has to wade through all of the offtopic dicussions to find the people that need help.

    Moreso I'm concerned about a precedent being set.  There is a strict no-advertising policy on the community, and I've shut down people using fake help topics and plugin advertisments that are just trying to drive our members to their sites.  This feels like much the same thing, there's no obvious reason for this discussion to be here instead of on your own site where the original article is.  What happens if/when other people get the same idea and we're just bombarded with bookmarks to every single persons latest blog post?  Sure that could make for an active community discussion, but the whole 'Elgg' topic is going to get lost in the fray...

    My opinion may certainly be invalid though, I'm not infallible.  I'm consulting the other team members for their opinions on this subject.

  • Hey everyone, i love BitCoins! lol

  • on one end of the spectrum of control vs. free will expression - you have dictatoring; the other end is free.

    proprietry software <> free software

    control <> free

    money <> free

    limitation <> expansion

    conflict <> community

    elgg is free software community.. i recommend moving towards removing limits, not adding them.

    dogs and basketball.. is possible innevitable:

  • Sin is in the flesh.
    If human beings had chlorophyll, that is, if they synthesized their own food, the system of money or no-money would be different.

    Also, a point to ponder : with all our technology and culture and literature and inventions, are we really better than the animals who are in constant harmony with nature, and probably much more in a happier and peaceful state of mind.

  • @Matt, I see your point. I you are discussing this with the team, please consider this. If you want this community to be focussed on the support of elgg. Change the policy and make sure nothing else is discussed.

    If you want this community to be connected, allow different subjects to be discussed too. And if you decide on the second, make it technology possible for users to spin-off discussions to the right group or community.

    If you all decide for the second option, you will probably do all of our community members a favour and get us new users who are interested in the topics we like to discuss.

    Good luck with that discussion. It should be clear that I hope you will facilitate the second option :-)

  • I read through the posts and my right brain curiosity could not shut up. I think the money that most countries use were created by human - we just made this thing up for example nation is a new word that was just made up and many more that most of you know.

    Even though money is the most common tool to buy and sell, it is not a true measure of wealth. One day you can have one billion dollars in your bank and monthly statement copies as a proof to show others that you are rich and the next morning you will be as broke a church mouse - why? Depression or Great Financial Depression in U.S.A

    So, i can say true wealth is stored in commodities or assets like rental houses, land, oil wheals, clean water springs or Large clean water reservoirs ( like the once former U.S president Bush junior’s family own in south American) and many more items or commodities that normally take time to be converted to cash.

  • wealth is in the heart that connects you to all that is and the spirit that manifests worlds.

  • @Tom, you describe money as what it is. A trading thing. Land, oil, and any other asset can be measured in this trading thing. My only suggestion is to define this thing into another thing that better describes a true value underneath. Money in it's current form has no real value, besides the trust people give to it. Why not trade it to something with actual value ?

  • For the record, I've heard back from a number of other core team members and so far everyone is in agreement with my previously stated views - this site is a resource for elgg users to ask elgg-related questions.  Political discussions etc don't belong here.  There are plenty of other forums on the internet where you can discuss this, even ones you own yourselves.  Content posted to this site needs to be related to Elgg and from this point forth completely off-topic content may be removed.

    The terms of the community have been updated to reflect this.

  • I agree with most of RvR and Matt Beckett's opinions. However, "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy" - Wikipedia. Work-life balance calls for some time to relax and spend some quality time with what you love and likes most. According to RvR, his dream and others might come true by coming up with more and  new terms or rules. On the other hand, most of the members  dreams might not come true. On my own opinion, for any community to grow to its full potential, others point of view should be taken into account of the need for more tools to make it easier to help others at the same time share with other members topics which might be relevant to other members interest. We all love the community and always hope to see her grow. -- comment posted from cellphone.

  • that's it.. tom should be banned.. i will not stand for rule breaking.

  • that was a joke.. but maybe i will be banned now since jokes are not elgg related.

  • I agree with matt. At first I thought it was related to the "Elgg Pay" plugin (Payment integration extension).

    May be we can have an "Off Topic" group, that you have to apply to be part of and the activity of such group will appear on your activity only if you are part of such group.

    Of course, with some ground rules, explicit ground rules and you must have at least 50 post on the elgg community, 6 months old membership, before you become eligible to apply for that group, you know to keep any spammer out.


  • At the risk of getting banned too. LOL

  • the community here already has community powered anti-spamming buttons.. so i don't see that an off-topic group would need a particular 'door policy'.

    the only missing requirement to make that work is a way to filter the river by groups.. or even just exclude that group from the river if adding a dropdown / set of radio boxes is too challenging.

  • I guess it's like that annoying store, that has a bench in the front of it.  When you sit on it for a bit to rest your feet, someone comes rushing out and yells at you for sitting on it, as it's private property.  They are afraid to give up anything, even space (digital spaces too), or protect their property's perceived value. Well then what the hell is the bench for! Maybe I was going to come inside to shop after I rested my feet!